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BamBoncher's avatar

I've been noticing this lack of quality story telling myself, and that its not solely endemic to the WOKE crowd, either, unfortunately. I have often of late downloaded the sample chapters of books on Amazon, both indie published or press published, wanting a good story written by something without an agenda, or to support an indie author that I knew was not WOKE. But I rarely can make it through the first chapter. The stories are stilted, boring, the dialogue unbelievable, the plot filled with holes right in the first chapter, and either way too much description or way too little of it.

One particular book I can think of I truly, truly wanted to like because the author is a conservative "based" writer and colleague of my husband on Discord. I forced myself through the book, hoping it would get better, but that hope was in vain. It was filled with way too much description - every character was introduced with at least a paragraph of description, every new building, room, and scene with over a page of it. And worse yet, the story was terribly weak under all that description and dialogue. Characters going to places that had no bearing on the story, reader expectations never realized, getting to the end and seeing that the whole journey that the hero was put through was really pointless with no explanation.

And as I look at other books on Amazon, both of authors in the indie communities I attend or even just searching for new books to read, book after book after book has the same problems.

I actually hardly read much at all anymore because of it, and that's a shame! I've gone back and re-read Tolkien, Louis L'Amour and other writers of the past to see if perhaps I was just being nostalgic and overly critical, but the truth is, modern writers are not even close to being in league with even the pulp dime novel writers of the past.

I do wonder why new authors can't seem to write engaging, well crafted stories anymore. So much fiction today reads like fan fiction, but perhaps that is the key to the problem. The great authors of the past did not have TV to go by; they read. todays authors are heavily influenced by TV and movies and short fiction. Many do start out writing fan fiction, trying to match their favorite TV shows or movies, and this carries over to their handling of longer fiction too.

Maybe, anyway. I still try, however, to find a story written well enough that I can get through it even if its written on a fan fiction level. I can enjoy fan fiction well enough; its just that when I pay good money for a book, I want something more than just fan fiction, you know?

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Tim Almond's avatar

The problem I see in film is people not caring about story, first. What story are you telling? "A Star Wars story" isn't what I mean. I mean, what thing aspect of life drove you to tell this story? And can you broadly make a good story around it? Then you need to refine, refine, refine.

The single biggest aspect that the best films is that people work on the script for a long time. Nolan worked on Inception for nearly a decade, Edgar Wright worked on Baby Driver for 20 years. Pixar will start working on idea, and then park it and pick it up again. They don't just knock this out and they don't pick up a camera until they're ready.

Most films have bad writing because for various reasons, they go into production without a great script, often without even any reason for the film to exist beyond *franchise*. Then someone thinks it can all be fixed with reshoots, and that works as well as trying to fix a cake that isn't made properly once its out of the oven.

We also have a lot of people who know little but other TV and movies. They haven't gone to war, or had another career first, they don't read history, philosophy, science, classic literature. We used to have a lot more writers whose life experiences of war, law enforcement, or whatever else was fused in with their writing. Ian Fleming worked for Naval Intelligence, Dashiell Hammett was a Pinkerton operative, Tolkein was steeped in English literature but also served in WW1.

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